‘You’re Selfish If You Don’t Want To Go To War’ Says Politician

LDP politician Muto Takaya says its selfish to not to want to go to war

LDP politician Muto Takaya

A young LDP politician called Muto Takaya found one of his tweets going rapidly viral today.

Muto tweeted that he thought people who didn’t want to go to war were selfish, a tweet that was sent as a response to the protests of anti-war student group, SEALDs (Students’ Emergency Action for Liberal Democracy). SEALDs, like many other citizen groups, are vehemently opposed to Abe Shinzo’s new security bill, which was pushed through a Diet vote a few weeks ago.

But far from Muto’s bold statement being supported by the online right wing, the comment columns of Yahoo! Japan were filled with further criticisms of Muto, with many saying that he should take the initiative and go to a war zone himself.

From Yahoo! Japan:

“Not Wanting To Go To War Is Selfish”: LDP Politician Muto Takaya’s Tweet Goes Viral

It was understood on August 3 that LDP politician Muto Takaya (Shiga 4-ku), had posted on his personal Twitter account regarding student protests against Abe’s new security bill that: “The thought of not wanting to go to war is an extremely selfish thought”. This is a statement that could be perceived as Muto wanting people to go to war voluntarily, and there has been a lot of opposition to his tweet online, as well as criticism from the opposition parties.

On July 30, Muto commented on Twitter that the claim of SEALDs, a student group who have pledged opposition to the security bill, “was self-centred, an extremely selfish thought, because they think ‘Oh, but I don’t want to go to war'”. Muto’s tweet concluded that postwar education had made selfish individualism rampant among the younger generations.

There have been plenty of criticisms to Muto’s statement online, with one commenter saying, “The answers in the Diet that ‘it didn’t necessarily mean that the Self-Defense Forces would be sent to war-zones’ were also inconsistent”, and on the same day, Edano Yukio, chief secretary of the opposing Democratic Party Japan (DPJ) criticised Muto, stating that “the LDP’s authoritarian attitude runs throughout its ranks, from its president to its most junior members”. Edano indicated that he would continue to question this attitude. On his own Facebook page, Muto said that “The fact that these days it is only Japan which continues to take the selfish attitude that it won’t get involved when every country in the world wants peace and makes efforts toward peace is an abdication of our responsibility as a nation”.

Comments from Yahoo! Japan:

asi*****:

Of course no one wants to go to war.
It’s the job of our politicians to make sure that no one has to go to war.
Have I misunderstood something here?

aob*****:

Umm, even if you criticize people as “selfish” when you yourself live in a safe place and have never been to war, I don’t suppose you’ll be particularly persuasive.

hat*****:

You go to a war zone first, Muto (´・ω・`)

ace*****:

Isn’t it only right that we don’t want to go to war?

kin*****:

Please only make these kinds of comments when you’ve come back from the front line, without a bodyguard or anything.

zzz:

I don’t think that people who have to say that they don’t want to go to war are going to like this very much.

aki*****:

Low level stuff…

*******:

Look, people who think “I want to go war” before a war has even started are just belligerent idiots.
Most people feel, once a war has broken out, that “the other side have done us great harm”, and so they feel angry, and think what the other side have done is “unforgivable”, and that’s when people start to appear who think “I’ll participate in this war too”. Even at that stage, there would definitely be way more people who think “I don’t want to go to war”. Even during the Asia-Pacific War, that’s how it was. There wouldn’t have been that many people who went to war thinking, “I really want to go to war”.

pap*****:

I really feel like after this bill something is going to happen. And as I think that there must be something behind all these terrible, inarticulate answers being given in the Diet, all I see are question marks.

hun*****:

Muto, take the intiative and going to a war zone first. Then you’ll really make a bang.

int*****:

Yeah, take the initiative and go yourself, Muto.
We have very high hopes for you (笑).

iqz*****:

Doesn’t matter how much people try to criticize.
I do not want to go to war.

そう思わない上等:

“”The thought of not wanting to go to war is an extremely selfish thought”

This short sentence is so loaded.
And it sums up completely the concept that the LDP have in mind.

leg*****:

The fact that this kind of remark has been made means that it is no mistake to call this a war bill.

haw*****:

So you want to go to war, eh, Muto? How truly splendid you are, sir.

ryo*****:

When I think that the level of Japan’s politicians has fallen this low, I just want to cry.

que*****:

Great job, Representative Muto.
Time to hand in your resignation as a Diet member.

Tebasaki:

Muto, you’re 36! You’re still young!
Why not join the Self-Defense Forces? Saying stuff like “oh the electorate” and “I want to contribute as a Diet member” is just for your own personal glory. You should first of all be selfless! Act now.
So, first off, set an example. And you might as well register your kids in the army too.
You’ll definitely do it, won’t you. Because you’re a selfless, splendid politician, sir, you are.
Ah, so splendid, so splendid.

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  • vonskippy

    Proving world wide that to be a politician you need to be dumber then a bag of turnips.

  • Comebackkid13

    While the young politician’s comments do lack tact, I don’t find myself agreeing with anything the people in the comments sections had to write.

    It is extremely easy, and extremely hypocritical, for young leftist Japanese to criticize war and proclaim themselves a peaceful country. They are all pulling bags over their faces and ignoring that they exist in an artificially safe bubble, courtesy of the US military.

    They will praise themselves as a peaceful nation while allowing another country to play Big Brother and protect them from the school yard bullies. How self righteous.

    • Haha true. But let’s not paint the USA’s military intentions as anything other than a result of post-WW2 ramifications and their present-day obsessive need to control as many foreign countries as they can. Like British colonisation but less obvious and less direct!

      • Comebackkid13

        Who was painting it like that?

    • TSDown

      Wanting to be a peaceful country and criticizing war is consistent.

      Promoting war and pretending to be a peaceful country is hypocritical.

      School yard bullying seems less of a threat than, say, extortion by the Mafia.

      • Comebackkid13

        Claiming to be a peaceful country, while using the American military as leverage on other countries is hypocritical.

        • TSDown

          If you are saying that Japan has diplomatic advantages because of their relationship with the United States, then yes, that much is true – the nature of an alliance demands it. Your claim that young, leftist Japanese are hypocrites would only be true if the American military stationed in Japan were made to perform actions that are contrary to the ideals of a peaceful country.

          We know that is not the case because the treaty is of mutual cooperation and security; the American military is not being used – it is an obligation signed and agreed upon by both parties. It is therefore false to imply that Japan is taking advantage of the relationship, especially when the host nation has over two hundred thousand active personnel.

          Given that framework it is not hypocritical for Japanese – regardless of their age and political leaning – to criticize going to war. Strategic cooperation does not put them at odds with their desire to be a peaceful country.

          Anyway, peace can come in many different forms but that’s for another discussion.

          • Comebackkid13

            What you say TS, in its pure sense, I can agree with and you make a very eloquent and valid point.

            I guess for me, I don’t see the criticism being quite as pure as you describe it. For example, although unrelated, I find those who criticize oil but continue to use a large amount of plastics in their day to day lives to be hypocritical. They oppose the excavation of oil but directly support it through their consumption.

            I don’t think you can have your cake and eat it too.

            I see a similar pattern with many Japanese, not all, but many on this issue. People who criticize the strengthening of Japan’s military capacity and trumpet Japan’s existence as a peaceful nation, also support the US military presence in Okinawa, Korea, and Guam. America is providing this presence by exercising the same right that Japan is pushing for now, to use its military in the defense of allies. They criticize this as an act of war, but they are happy to support it when someone else is getting dirty for them.

            Like I said, not all Japanese but this seems to be a strong theme among young liberals and peace proponents.

          • TSDown

            The criticism is directed at the expanded role of Japan’s military as a result of the security bill. They are not against the strengthening of their military; over the past two decades Japan has always been among the top ten countries in terms of military expenditures while also being an active participant in regional and international military exercises.

            The people are opposed to the usage of Japan’s military in any combat role overseas. Unless there is a direct and immediate threat to their home soil they do not wish for the forces to engage in combat. This stance does not contradict their support for an allied military presence in Japan or elsewhere. The two elements are not, and should not, be mutually exclusive.

            It is misleading to imply that a country should not be concerned with its safety because it wants to follow the ideals of peace. A city whose residents protest against aggressive police behavior do not abolish the police or reject law enforcement outright.

            America is not providing anything they did not already agree to – this was stressed previously. The mutual cooperation and security treaty contains no provisions for America to ‘get dirty’ on behalf of Japan. Both parties contribute as per their obligations. What are you so upset about?

            What the American military does, it does of its own will. You perceive American military initiatives as being manipulated by Japan, which is false. You are blurring your expectations of Japan’s military with the strategic objectives of America. It is too easy to fall back into a position of arrogance when America’s defense budget is bigger than the combined expenditures of the nine other countries that follow.

            Lastly, the argument that those who use goods containing plastic should have no say in matters concerning the production and consumption of energy is disingenuous and a very slippery slope.

          • Comebackkid13

            Skipping your mental acrobatics, this… “The people are opposed to the usage of Japan’s military in any combat role overseas. Unless there is a direct and immediate threat to their home soil they do not wish for the forces to engage in combat. This stan ce does not contradict their support for an allied military presence in Japan or elsewhere. The two elements are not, and should not, be mutually exclusive.

            It is misleading to imply that country should not be concerned with its safety because it wants to follow the ideals of peace. A city whose residents protest against aggressive police behavior do not abolish the police or reject law enforcement outright.”

            Having your cake and eating it too.

            “It is misleading to imply that a country should not be concerned with its safety because it wants to follow the ideals of peace. ”
            -TS, don’t speak for people or put words in their mouth by adding nonexistent arguments to make your’s seem legitimate.

            “What the American military does, it does of its own will. You perceive American military initiatives as being manipulated by Japan, which is false.”
            -TS, don’t speak for people or put words in their mouth by adding nonexistent arguments to make your’s seem legitimate.

            I think we need to refocus, because you are showing a tendency towards Strawmans. It is my opinion that its is hypocritcal for someone to claim that they are peaceful on the one hand, while they simultaneously benefit from the threat of overwhelming force by the American’s on the other.

            Before you go on about “You perceive American military initiatives as being manipulated by Japan, which is false.” …I never said that, nor is that in any way implied.

            Stay focused TS, stay focused.

          • TSDown

            There is no need to refocus as our discussion is over.

            You have not put forth any further facts to back up the statements you’ve made, choosing instead to dismiss the material as ‘mental acrobatics’. Interpretation and drawing conclusions is a part of reading comprehension and does not equate to putting words a person’s mouth.

            When dealing with opinions it is often necessary to address what is not explicitly said as it is of a personal nature and not based on fact. After yours was refuted, you regress to a defensive posture and cry straw man to try and play the victim.

            Fair enough – there is no longer incentive to hold any discussion with you from here on, though.

          • Comebackkid13

            Emotional antagonism and self-confirmation. Two can play that game, you have progressed to High School level debate skills TS!

  • wrle

    Well What a surprise. The war mongering netouyo right wingers are actually too chicken to go to war. Cant wait for this bill to actually pass. They reap what they sow.

    • Norm

      what a surprise. they are peaceful people who dont want any war and you are a stupid savage who calls them chickens and wants to send more people to a battlefield. stop coming here to abuse others and make yourself feel better. and do something more productive for your life, please

      • wrle

        From what we can see the current right nut generation of Japan has totally forgotten about the horrors of their glorious wartime past. These netouyos always talk big behind their computer screens about their country’s imperialistic military might and attacking others. But when their right winged LDP politicians actually ask for war, they cry for “peace”. I sure hope this bill passes and maybe, just maybe they can learn a lesson.

        • Norm

          why do you assume the people who “cry for peace” are the same as the people who talk about “their country’s imperialistic military might and attacking others”? the SEALDs and those commenters dont desire any war. i think it is you who have forgotten about the horrors of war because you “hope this bill passes”, which the young SEALDs are against.

          • wrle

            You are obviously not used to the internet culture of Japan. This article is from YAHOO Japan, one of the largest far right winged news aggregates in the country followed predominantly by the netouyo. Normally the top read and commented articles are negative news about their neighboring countries with often racist or even violent comments becoming the most voted. These people are the same people who always talk about attacking south korea or china.

          • Norm

            i don’t know if they always talk about attacking korea and china and really want that. but even if they do why do you have to “hope this bill passes”? again, it is you who have forgotten about the horrors of war if you really think some people will have to go to a battlefield due to this bill and “hope this bill passes”.

            by the way, you might have to get used to the internet culture of the world. most news sites in any countries are full of right wingers or racists or bigots of the country and they are really loud and vocal but still only some population of the country.

          • replybot

            There’s gotta be a big overlap though.

      • replybot

        LOL. Netouyo are peaceful people??

        You truly are delusional as fuck.

  • Dan

    What an idiot.

    Not much else to say. Guy’s got that imbecile image going for him.

  • Anon

    And then you wonder how things like WW1 could have happened

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    So is this like a Japanese Donald Trump in that he says dumb stuff but thinks he’s being clever?

  • Xman2014

    Japan have disturbing war mongering leaders in their military. Just have a read.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33754932

    “Someone told me this, ‘One who fails to look back and perceive the past will repeat their wrongdoing’. But Mr Abe thinks we should erase anything bad Japan had done in the past and pretend nothing happened. That is why I cannot forgive him,” he adds.

    Mr Matsumoto sits back in his chair and chuckles.

    “One day the right-wingers will come and get me for saying such things,” he says, drawing a finger across his throat.

    That seems unlikely, but Mr Matsumoto and all the other survivors are now in their late 80s or 90s.

    Soon they will all be gone – while the voices of denial grow louder and stronger.

    • Papi

      From that article:

      “If this is true, how many soldiers had to be mobilised to forcibly drag those women away? And those Korean men were just watching their women taken away by force? Were Korean men all cowards?”

      Funny how these questions never get answered by you draft dodging internet sentries. Instead we always get some little hissy fit and insults (doubtless you slam the laptop shut and burst into tears as well). But would anyone like to have an attempt at answering them in a civil and dignified way?

      • wrle

        Many but not all of comfort women were korean. They were spread all across asia and it varied widely. Some were kidnapped or taken at gun point while others were tricked into gettting a job but instead taken to these military run stations. It was quite a unique system because it was systematically run by the military unlike the brothels in Europe. Women would be killed if they tried to escape, became sick or got pregnant.

        Unless you are actually suggesting that these 200 000 comfort women willingly left their families and homes to become sex slaves for japanese soldiers at comfort stations which popped out of nowhere. Regardless, the facts are all there so you don’t need to look for answers from “dodging internet sentries”. I actually can’t believe that some people deny the existence of certain war atrocities like the comfort women or the holocaust. Facts and records the entire world already knows about but there are individuals for whatever reason that just refuse to accept them.

  • Korean

    Like he knows what going to war means!!!!!!!!!! What a PSYCHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Claude

    Bat shit crazy. Will go on to be Tokyo’s mayor.

  • Lolno

    The Foreign Legion is a very small part of the French army and there’s French people in it…

    • JEng

      wth is Simon Murray? Is he a Dark Knight or does he really serve the sassenach aristocrats?

  • KoreanWorld

    Da Kinds.

  • bultak23

    We are going to destroy the planet.

  • KoreanKoreaKlan

    Driving all Japanese into War, meanwhile they say Peace on Hiroshima, Nagasaki days….. USA should have dropped more than two cities. Make sure all Japanese understand there War sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mr. Obama
    This is what happen when Japan handlers handle Japan.

    Please fire Joseph Nye and Richard Armitage.
    We don’t want to kill people anymore.
    Please do not force us war.
    Please do not force us the ultra right wing PM Abe.
    Please do not force us military bases.
    Please do not sell any arms to Japan.
    We get more poorer and poorer, and taxes get higher and higher.
    Big companies are becoming more free from taxes.
    Please save or constitution.
    オバマさんへ
    ジャパンハンドラーが日本を意のままに操るので、こういう輩が出てくるのです。
    ジョセフナイと、アーミテージを首にしてください。
    私たちはもう人殺しはいやです。
    戦争を押し付けないでください。
    極右の安倍首相を押し付けないでください。基地を押し付けないでください。
    日本に武器を売らないで。
    私たちはどんどん貧しくなり、税金は高くなる一方です。
    大企業は、どんどん税金を払わなくてもよくなっています。
    私たちの憲法を守ってください。

  • Not going to a war is nothing shameful.
    Because not killing peple is nothing shameful.
    War is meant to be man slaughter.
    That is what I was taught, that is what ordinary Japanese parents like mine are teaching their kids.

    Listen Barack Obama, you need to FIRE Joseph Nye and Richard Armitage right now.
    Current overrunning of Abe is exact what THEY told him to do.
    We already know who’s really evil, Shinzo Abe is just a puppet of you Americans.
    Shinzo Abe is breaking rule of law, ignoring our voices, upon THE FULL SUPPORT OF YOU OBAMA.
    Stop forcing us to have a war for you, you can’t make us kill people again.

  • https://www.facebook.com/yoko.nomura.9081/posts/883949155025900
    I want you all to read this article. This is a letter from a man who was in the Tokko-Tai, whic means the suicide attack team in world war 2.

  • I want you to know that, Jiminto(LDP) has 15000 of its net-supporters, who have many accounts per one person and writing in many hateful comments on 2 channel and many other websites. Jiminto(LDP) also has a team payed to deal with the media. They manipulate and disguise as true peoples opinion. Team Seko is famous. They are notorious for attack media if media did something which is not good for Jiminto.

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